tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6574198575168538104.post2883030536565694133..comments2024-02-27T14:15:43.978-06:00Comments on Modern Medievalism: Pugin: An Earnest Appeal for the Revival of the Ancient Plain Song, now onlineThe Modern Medievalisthttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07238571174836044412noreply@blogger.comBlogger7125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6574198575168538104.post-11438090134954504762012-10-06T19:44:24.615-05:002012-10-06T19:44:24.615-05:00I was wondering which five he had in mind, too. I ...I was wondering which five he had in mind, too. I think this article was written before the Kyriale as we know it today, with its 18 Masses, was published.The Modern Medievalisthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07238571174836044412noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6574198575168538104.post-21391878582863019172012-10-04T20:25:36.808-05:002012-10-04T20:25:36.808-05:00What does Pugin mean when he says " How simpl...What does Pugin mean when he says " How simple to print music for the five Gregorian Masses". I assume he means some subset of the ordinary chants, but the article 'the' implies that he has five specific ones in mind. Any idea which these are?-raichi2Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6574198575168538104.post-58953731973482851622012-10-03T23:54:07.364-05:002012-10-03T23:54:07.364-05:00James,
Thanks for going to all this trouble to ...James,<br /><br /> Thanks for going to all this trouble to bring to the light of day this interesting piece. I definitely will read it in full and let others know of your endeavors here. We do have a rich patrimony to reflect on, some of it relatively untouched.<br /><br /> JoeAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6574198575168538104.post-63675355702468863372012-10-03T12:52:43.492-05:002012-10-03T12:52:43.492-05:00You're welcome, Mr. Riley. The choir, or "...You're welcome, Mr. Riley. The choir, or "quire" as it's sometimes spelled, would go within the screen. When Pugin refers to the "chancel", he means an elongated sanctuary that has room for at least a few short choir stalls. The screen is often called a chancel screen, such as in Pugin's "Treatise on Chancel Screens and Roof Lofts": http://books.google.com/books/about/A_treatise_on_chancel_screens_and_rood_l.html?id=7JRWAAAAMAAJ<br /><br />My understanding is that the choir was abandoned within Catholicism during the Counter-Reformation for a few reasons:<br /><br />-First, Saint Charles Borromeo desired to reform church architecture to remove the screens and stalls, and bring the laity closer to the altar. I understand this was his attempt to address the objections of the Protestants who accused the Church of removing people from the action of the liturgy, but in my opinion, even saints can be wrong about things like this.<br /><br />-Second, many churches in the Counter-Reformation followed the example of the Gesu, the Jesuits' headquarters church in Rome. The Gesu is said to have been the first church in the Counter-Reformation era to be built without any choir stalls and with an abbreviated sanctuary. The choir stalls were "superfluous" for them because the Jesuits were dispensed from the Office entirely.<br /><br />-Finally, to accommodate the musical styles of the Baroque period and later, it became increasingly necessary to employ the voices of women. Since then, as we all know, women tend to be far more willing to volunteer their services in the realm of choral music than men. Today, the idea of a choir of boys and men is just unthinkable in all but places like the great churches of London.<br /><br />I'm probably going to make a post dedicated solely to the subject of chancels and choir stalls soon.The Modern Medievalisthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07238571174836044412noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6574198575168538104.post-7545806985055366952012-10-03T12:39:50.647-05:002012-10-03T12:39:50.647-05:00Good idea, Ryan. Unfortunately, I'm probably g...Good idea, Ryan. Unfortunately, I'm probably going to need to make a return visit to to the library to take clearer photographs of the pamphlet if I'm going to post it on Gutenberg in the full digitized version. The text in each photo I took came out very blurry. I had to enhance them with Photoshop to make some of the words out clearly.The Modern Medievalisthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07238571174836044412noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6574198575168538104.post-8852956055063651142012-10-03T10:04:16.545-05:002012-10-03T10:04:16.545-05:00WOW, nothing changes does it? Excellent piece, and...WOW, nothing changes does it? Excellent piece, and a snapshot of liturgical reform in the 1800's. Thanks Mr. Griffin! I am curious, was the choir placed behind the screen, or in front of it?Blayne Rileynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6574198575168538104.post-43626992915433798912012-10-03T09:59:00.726-05:002012-10-03T09:59:00.726-05:00James, Please publish the transcript of this work ...James, Please publish the transcript of this work on an online archive so that it may preserved indefinitely. There are two locations that I can immediately suggest:<br /><br />Project Gutenberg:<br />http://self.gutenberg.org/<br /><br />And<br /><br />Internet Archive:<br />http://archive.org/Ryan Haeckerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06223414294252642790noreply@blogger.com